So Josephine was very charming, very beautiful. And these DNA studies… well, if 50% of Minona's bones come from Estonia, well then Stackelberg is the father, but if 50% come from Bonn, well then that would prove it. So why, given this, would she have returned to her husband? When Schindler first met Beethoven, the composer explained the meaning behind a new sonata, and many years later, it turned out to be reflective of events mentioned in the “immortal beloved” letter. Oldman gives a tour de force performance as the passionate, volatile genius who inspired love and hatred in equal measure. To view past editions, visit the Newsletter page. And so that's where it remained. And I had found a letter from Charlotte, the youngest sister who had just gotten married and – this is in 1807 – where she's warning Josephine don't be alone with Beethoven. Many times it's fostered a heated debate. Your faithfulLudwig Monday evening, 6 JulyYou suffer, you, my dearest creature. And then other people told me it's not possible to determine fatherhood from such old bones but, Malte Böcker, the business head at the Beethoven House in Bonn, wrote me just recently an email saying, ‘I'd like to let you know that I have secured Minona's gravesite and nothing will happen to her bones.’. Art is something related to the soul, to the Sacred, to the Divine. Beside all the work he is known for, the composer once wrote a famous love letter to a nameless beloved and the movie tries to find out who this beloved was. The echoes of this love are listened along the years, in so much of his musical works. Beethoven did not indicate who the intended recipient is, but the most likely candidates are Countess Giulietta Guicciardi, Josephine von Brunsvik, Antonie Brentano, and Josephine’s sister, Countess Therese Brunsvik. This is much later where she's recommending that they go for a holiday together and she says, we could go to Naples, we could go to Brazil, or we could go to England with Beethoven. I think that it is all intimately related with the cultural obsession, about discovering the secret of his genius. After 1818, he would have had charge of his nephew Karl, when it is not at all likely that he would have written such a letter. So that's where you get Antonie Brentano or Almérie Esterházy or Amalie Sebald, and so on. Well, the emperor was in Prague on July 1st and so I think that she wanted to try to solve these financial problems by speaking with the emperor and speaking with relatives of her husband. And so they were looking for a woman whose first name started with 'A.' I mean she… I know that in 1811, a year before the Immortal Beloved letter, she, was not sleeping with her husband anymore. As a last testament this document may have been faulty, but as a biographical puzzle it was a masterstroke, inspiring two centuries of fevered speculations, of which this … And it was there that they met Stackelberg, who was an Estonian baron. Was it 1819 or 1820, I believe… where somebody writes to Beethoven about this musical child. STEBLIN: Well the name comes from Ossian, that Gaelic Bard, and appears in Goethe Sorrows of Young Werther, and is the daughter of a musician. I mean her comment was that she overheard Beethoven's… well her father had asked Beethoven had he never met a woman that he would want to marry. STEBLIN: Exactly. For the best experience, please watch the video at the top of the page. In Beethoven's estate there is a letter that allows science and art to be speculated. It is equally curious to see how the theorists are split into two clearly visible groups in their proposition of my Immortal Beloved: the English and the Americans, more in favor of Antonie Brentano, and the Germans, French and other Europeans, more in favor of Joséphine von Brunsvik. What abominable waste of time in such things — why this deep grief, where necessity speaks? A clue that would allow them to finally grasp the magnitude of the greatness of the man that had created such music and that had lived so intensely. And then exactly nine months after the letter to the Immortal Beloved, you have her seventh child born, Minona. STEBLIN: Yes. Well, we know that Beethoven knew Josephine since 1799 so five years before would disqualify her. I mean, you have this case where she did not allow him into her house and hid herself from him. Their love letters have a lot in common with the famous letter, and she was a very beautiful, cultured, musical young woman. But because Beethoven couldn't lay claim to his own child, he then took over this nephew. Letter to the Immortal Beloved, 1812 window.onload=init; Preliminaries: It is considered that three letters exist, even though the whole is entitled 'The letter to the Immortal Beloved'. And these are love letters from Beethoven to Josephine that he wrote between about 1804 and 1809 – this was the period after Deym had died. [1:35] MALTZ: The famously temperamental Beethoven never married, but, between July 6th and 7th in 1812, Beethoven wrote a three-part letter. Why? And there's this snippet from the conversation book. In this, I am again in agreement with my French friend: in a way, I am extremely glad that with all the research invested in the Immortal Beloved riddle, our culture academia failed miserably in revealing this particular mystery. And we know that Beethoven met unexpectedly someone in Prague because in a letter later to Varnhagen von Ense, he apologizes for not having kept an appointment that he had made on the evening of July the 3rd. His ideas and hypothesis are most perceptive and sensitive. STEBLIN: Yes. So! STEBLIN: Exactly. What is your view about this? If I had to give my own opinion regarding the identity of the woman, I would then say that I think that Josephine is the most likely candidate especially because the relation between the two of them had the required tone. She was now running this museum and he continued to give her lessons. What a life! Beethoven after his death left a letter addressed to his "immortal beloved," with no hint as to who that person was. It also required challenging previously-accepted scholarship and approaching the subject from new angles to find the truth. MALTZ: So this speaks to Josephine's magnetic appeal. . DANIEL ADAM MALTZ: Grüß Sie from Vienna, Austria. Which is to say, that our personage does not us allow to imagine THAT role for him. And, Therese, in her memoirs talks about Minona as being different from the other children, being very stark, strong in her personality so much that we called her ‘the governess.’. So Josephine was left alone and there were great financial problems. Don't let him into your house. In 1795, 1801 and 1807, biographers know the whereabouts and activities of the composer. Well… because 'St' is kind of unusual and 'A' is much more common. STEBLIN: Well, she does admit that she was at some distance and was trying to listen in onto this conversation. She was the dedicatee of the Moonlight Sonata. The letter’s unnamed recipient — Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” — remains a mystery, and continues to generate debate. . Before, he did not live in Vienna, and he states the fact that he lives there in his letter. She was in her eighties in 1920 when she brought out the book. After the death of the composer (Gary Oldman), director Bernard Rose lets admirer and secretary Anton Schindler (Jeroen Krabbé) look for the anonymous lover. And so what did she have to do but try to fix her marriage and, I think from the memoirs of her son, Fritz, you see what efforts she went to to be the loving wife. In Beethoven’s unsent love letter to his ‘Immortal Beloved’ he wrote: My angel, my all, my own self — only a few words today, and those in pencil (with yours)… Can our … Following Beethoven's death in 1827, an undelivered letter in his hand addressed to "Immortal Beloved" is discovered. Beethoven's love letters to his immortal beloved, 1812 L udwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist. Ludwig van Beethoven (1770-1827) was a German composer and pianist, who is arguably the defining figure in the history of Western music. 6 July, morningMy angel, my all, my own self — only a few words today, and that too with pencil (with yours) — only till tomorrow is my lodging definitely fixed. Beethoven "Immortal Beloved" Letters/"Emperor" 2nd Movement - Duration: 8:19. Angel, I just hear that the post goes out every day — and must close therefore, so that you get the L. at once. And, because there's a mystery behind it, people wanted to solve the mystery and each generation has had a go at it. Not easy as Beethoven has had many women in his life. Therefore, a total of 10 pages make up the Immortal Beloved letter. And so she was in a sense forced to marry this baron. so far! So when did Josephine marry Stackelberg? And I also found another letter from Therese to Josephine. STEBLIN: What you get in these 14 love letters and there are drafts of her replies… you see that towards the end, around 1807 Josephine didn't allow Beethoven into her house anymore. It wasn't just her husband, Deym. But there exist two conditions: July the 6th must have been a Monday, and Beethoven's timetable must have allowed him to be out of Vienna on this day. It is possible that the relation between them was ultimately impossible for the restrictions that the time put on such situations, and then the relation had receded to a spiritual level. And just recently the business manager of the Beethoven House in Bonn, Malte Böcker, wanted to have all of my correspondence with this Gesundheitsamt because, in the end, it was sort of like… well, who's going to pay for this? for (i = 0; i < document.links.length;i++) { We can listen to this love in the vibrant bliss, of so many passionate adagios, in the sorrow present in those painful tones, in so many melodies loaded with sadness and memories. The possible years are therefore: 1795, 1801, 1807, 1812 or 1818. And so there were deep psychological reasons for him doing that. Written in pencil, it is addressed to an unknown woman with whom Beethoven was apparently in a love relationship and to whom he refers at one point as his "Immortal Beloved." 8:19. Beethoven still has them waiting and hoping in vain to be able to open his secrets. And we know, in fact, I found documents in Brno that Stackelberg had made a quick trip to Prague in 1811 to borrow money from a banker there. Good night — as I am taking the waters, I must go to bed. MALTZ: This is where the story gets particularly interesting to me and I think to anybody who has an interest in this subject is that there is more to this encounter on July 3rd in Prague in 1812, that Beethoven had with Josephine. Anyway, what is real beyond any doubt is that the composer really loved a particular woman very much, and that he loved her for a long time. And our culture would only make some sordid media soap opera out of a most sad and beautiful love story. Now, we have proof that Josephine was in Baden for weeks. It is clear to scholars that K. is the town where the Immortal Beloved was. Once the date has been decided, the place follows naturally: Beethoven went for hydrotherapy at Teplitz (Teplice - about 80 km North-West of Prague). And what I've been doing recently is watching all these YouTube stories. DR. RITA STEBLIN: It's a pleasure to be here. And Josephine wanted to go again to Karlsbad. And she also showed the most genius among the children. It is quite astonishing to see how much thought and speculation the Immortal Beloved letter has provoked. Gary Oldman, Jeroen Krabbe, Isabella Rossellini and Valeria Golino star in IMMORTAL BELOVED, a mesmerizing mystery based on the tumultuous real life of Ludwig van Beethoven. What are your thoughts about a DNA test? Anyway, I believe that the question about WHY so much ink has been used in writing about the identity of the woman Beethoven loved can have an answer. ', STEBLIN: Yeah, it's like the French 'tu'. And so when the letter to the Immortal Beloved, dated July 6th only mentions the trip between Prague and Teplitz where Beethoven was writing this letter. Get all my new content in one monthly email newsletter. This question has obsessed people for almost 200 years. And a lot of scholars in the 20th century claimed that this letter 'A' referred to the Immortal Beloved. Beethoven’s missives to this “immortal beloved,” which include the only known love letter of his to use the informal German du for “you” rather than the formal Sie, were found among his personal effects; they were never mailed — a beautiful and tragic testament to the fact that their affair, like all affairs, was both bedeviled and vitalized by the awareness that the two lovers could never fully … I'm going back to Vienna.’ And so that's why he never sent the letter. In these letters, Beethoven uses the informal, familiar 'you' to address his (Immortal Beloved. She even applied for a pass to go to Italy with him and the children and so on. I just recently discovered another letter by Therese to Josephine with the proof that they were hiding Maria Laura for about three years. STEBLIN: Josephine came to Vienna in May of 1799 with her mother and her older sister Therese, to have piano lessons with Beethoven. His longtime secretary Anton Felix Schindler takes it upon himself to track down this person to whom Beethoven has willed his fortune. And there's some other passages in his diary where around the birth of Minona where he says, ‘Oh, I will have to leave Vienna.’. And because I did so much work on papers in the archives, especially in Jindrichuv Hradec where you have all the papers that were sent to Josephine, I noticed that her husband Stackelberg always referred to with just 'St' that the 'St'… I used to misread it as an 'A' and then that gave me the idea… Hey, this might not be 'A,' this might've been a mistake by the copyist and it really was Auf diese Art mit Stackleberg everything is going to ruin. In 1909, W. A. Thomas San Galli was the first to date the letter 1812. The descriptions of the appearance of his internal organs were carefully made and recorded. Whether seducing regal followers or criticizing the ruling class, Beethoven made many enemies. He would loathe such a treasonous act. My guest is Dr. Rita Steblin, a musicologist whose archival work combines music history, iconography, and genealogical research. Other theories were made, giving diverse answers between 1801 et 1807. MALTZ: Right. For example, his brain was obsessively measured, weighed and described (with most interesting results we might add). And Beethoven had said ‘Yes, five years ago. Learn more about the era of Haydn, Mozart, and Beethoven from my videos and podcast interviews with other Vienna-based performers and experts. MALTZ: Which of course, very similar to the 'Immortal Beloved' letter in the way that Beethoven says you're hiding yourself. There, it was. Mondays — Thursdays — the only days, when the post goes from here to K. You suffer — oh! The first is easy: "... my life in W. is now a miserable life...". And then they said, pietätlos, there's no piety because you'd have to exhume Beethoven as well to make a study. And you found something curious about this ‘St’, STEBLIN: His 'St' looks very much like an 'A' and Gräffer, who was the copyist, if he just saw this one initial cipher? In any case, if one day this great mystery were to be solved by an indisputable proof, would we find our appreciation of the works of Beethoven and of the man, himself changed? Whom did Beethoven love so passionately? And as we all know…, we that admire and love Beethoven and his music so much, he does not deserve this to be done with his most intimate feelings. Oh, go on loving me — never doubt the faithfullest heart Of your belovedL Ever thine.Ever mine.Ever ours. Third Question: Of which towns does he speak of in the my Immortal Beloved letters? She had many relatives from her first husband in Prague and after Deym's death, she took all her four children to speak with the Emperor Franz. Canst thou change it, that thou are not entirely mine, I not entirely thine? Let God return peace to your soul and so that you can return to your children and your family. They'd be gone forever. Brighten up — remain my true and only treasure, my all, as I to you. At my actual age I should need some continuity, sameness of life — can that exist under our circumstances? Is it not a real building of heaven, our Love — but as firm, too, as the citadel of heaven. This date is the one most widely accepted today. Woven into the story is Jessica Duchen’s favoured theory (supported by many other scholars) as to the identity of the woman addressed as ‘Immortal Beloved’ in Beethoven’s letter. Then it fits Josephine. And quite rightly so. We shall probably soon meet, even today I cannot communicate my remarks to you, which during these days I made about my life — were our hearts close together, I should probably not make any such remarks. I mean, DNA studies are improving. Beethoven once threw marriage proposal on Therese Malfatti, which got rejected. How?! Who, among the scores of women that Beethoven seduced, was his Immortal Beloved? MALTZ: And it sends people down the wrong track for hundreds of years. The identity of Beethoven’s “Immortal Beloved” (more accurately translated as “Eternally Beloved”) has confounded historians for two centuries and even inspired a movie. MALTZ: We're skipping forward now, there was another cryptic comment that has stumped Beethoven researchers for years. We know this because of a letter in three parts, found in Beethoven’s desk after his desk. Welcome to Classical Cake, the podcast where we discuss topics relating to Viennese classical music while enjoying one of Vienna's delicious cakes. My bosom is full, to tell you much — there are moments when I find that speech is nothing at all. And the names that Josephine gave to her children all have symbolic meaning. And that convinced me that she had the right woman. So this was late 1819 and, exactly at that point in Beethoven's conversation books, someone is asking him and writing out, ‘You talk so much about the woman that her husband is going to suspect that the child among his children that has musical talent is your child.’ I mean this is great proof. And I think this name, Minona, as the daughter of a musician is of significance. The problem person would be her husband, that he's the one that's causing all the problems for Beethoven. } This treat has a thin base of chocolate sponge cake and a chocolate mousse filling. Who was Beethoven’s Immortal Beloved, the unknown woman mentioned in a passionate letter discovered after Beethoven’s death? Fourth Question: What can we deduce from this familiar tone? In it, he writes of his unconditional love and devotion to someone he refers to as his Unsterbliche Geliebte, or Immortal Beloved. Who is this Immortal Beloved? After his death in 1827, the following love letter was found amongst the personal papers of Ludwig van Beethoven, penned by the composer over the course of two days in July of 1812 while staying in Teplice. But knowing Fritz had said end of April that they'd already gotten to Baden, there I found – in an earlier list – Josephine. The earliest… With this in mind, the questions of certain researchers leave me wondering: - Did he know one or many women, or did he not know any? It's believed that Beethoven had a surprise encounter with his Immortal Beloved in Prague on July 3rd, 1812, just three days before the 'Immortal Beloved' letter is written. MALTZ: People love a story, right? So what other woman meets that? You will get over it all the more as you know my faithfulness to you; never another one can own my heart, never — never! Therefore, he met Goethe some days later. STEBLIN: When I was a piano teacher in Vancouver for seven years, I read the book by Marie-Elisabeth Tellenbach on Josephine Brunsvik as the Immortal Beloved. So then, and once again, let us –this time-- admire in turn his keen intellect, and watch how this smart man, has left several generations past, and to come, ----- still looking for an answer to the Immortal Beloved. And so Beethoven now was writing letters to the widowed Josephine Brunsvik. He is referring to Vienna (in German, the initial is a 'W' for 'Wien') and no one has found a reason to dispute this. Beethoven) biographers are worried about this because practically none of the supposed women was ever addressed in this manner by Beethoven. And why did he keep it? MALTZ: You mentioned in one of your articles that Minona is buried in Vienna's Central Cemetery. Upon his death, a love letter was found among his possessions. Yes, I have determined to wander about for so long far away, until I can fly into your arms and call myself quite at home with you, can send my soul enveloped by yours into the realm of spirits — yes, I regret, it must be. I think she had this attraction. I should say, had been hiding under an assumed name, Meiersfeld, but it was a hyphenated Deym-Meiersfeld. MALTZ: Let's get to the evidence you discovered. So who knows? It is an old obsession, and it dates from his times already. Melodious Heart 15,993 views. So, the marriage took place in Gran, Esztergom, Hungary in February of 1810. [I] had gotten to know,’ he used the word kennen, ‘gotten to know a woman.’. I think that the riddle of the Immortal Beloved letter is something of this kind of issue. Written in the summer of 1812 from the spa town of Teplice, the letter has generated a great deal of speculation and … In it, he writes of his unconditional love and devotion to someone he refers to as his Unsterbliche Geliebte, or Immortal Beloved.He never sent this letter. It is certain that nothing will stop the researchers and scholars of this question. STEBLIN: Years ago, a Berlin film crew wanted to make a film with me holding a shovel at her grave. But, I decided to look at the problem again from a new angle and to look at that word kennen and thought, okay, if you view it in the biblical sense of to know a woman, sleep with her. MALTZ: Today's cake is a Schoko-Mousse Herz, or chocolate mousse heart. It would have meant that there had been an intimate love relationship. Beethoven proves that art offers something beyond the physical or the material world. Also, I am intrigued by the fact that this letter was found in Beethoven's possession. The proposed possibilities as to the identity of this mystery woman are numerous, indeed too numerous for one man! All rights reserved. So all of a sudden, after this night with Beethoven, she probably suspects, uh-oh what do I do if I am pregnant? To be more exact, Beethoven in fact wrote to 'The immortal loved one' and not 'The Immortal Beloved'. Beethoven very rarely used 'du' and to use 'du' with a woman…. If someone has only read his diaries, his letters, his moral writings… He would consider such an act, a terrible dishonorable behavior. There is more than a hint of voyeurism in the acute desire to “know”. And this is dated 1818. Beethoven: Piano Concerto No. . O God, why must one go away from what one loves so, and yet my life in W. as it is now is a miserable life. You have the same sort of wording in these earlier love letters and the letter to the Immortal Beloved where he says, ‘you know I have been faithful to you that no other woman can...’, MALTZ: To clarify for those who don't speak German, please explain the significance of Beethoven referring to Josephine as 'du' instead of the formal 'Sie. STEBLIN: We know from Therese Brunsvik's memoirs that there was a serious fight between Josephine and her second husband, Stackelberg, in June of 1812 and that Stackelberg got really angry and left. So, in 1808, Josephine, Therese, and the two little boys, Fritz and Karl went on a long journey and ended up in Switzerland. Can our love persist otherwise than through sacrifices, than by not demanding everything? This Immortal Beloved letter by Beethoven is dated Monday July 6th. Soon after Beethoven’s death in 1827, a letter was found in a secret drawer in his Vienna apartment. It was written to an unknown woman who Beethoven simply called his … Well, here you have 1818. Final scene from the movie "Inmortal beloved" about Beethoven's life. MALTZ: So let's move forward. He never sent this letter. Your love made me the happiest and unhappiest at the same time. Beethoven is played by Gary Oldman, one of the finest actors around. Its content is sugar sweet, the recipient unknown: "Love demands everything. These were requirements that Beethoven himself “joked” about on some occasion. First of all, there are the memoirs of her oldest son, Fritz, who he started writing when he was 20 years old to his 15-year-old bride. I can only live, either altogether with you or not at all. And he talks about his love for her and that he's won her heart and that she will make him more productive in his compositions and that she knows he's faithful to her and no other woman can win his heart. What do we know about Josephine and why would Beethoven have been so enraptured by her? Second Question: Where was the Immortal Beloved letter written? After Beethoven's death in 1827, a three-part letter was found among his private papers addressed to a woman whom he called "immortal beloved". Because, there are letters where she instructed the setup of their bedrooms when she was going to go to that estate in Moravia that they'd bought and she even wanted a maid sleeping between the two bedrooms. The story of Beethoven's life, mostly his private life in this case, is told in flashbacks as his friend and executor of his will, Anton Schindler (Jeroen Krabbe) sets out to find the mysterious Immortal Beloved, the recipient of a passionate love letter written by the composer. MALTZ: So up to this point, we've discussed Beethoven longing after Josephine for years, a surprise encounter where they spent the night together in Prague and the Immortal Beloved letter that Beethoven never sent, where he pleaded for Josephine to find a way for them to be together. Oh, God, look into beautiful Nature and compose your mind to the inevitable. What is the evidence that this encounter took place and what clues place Josephine in Prague at this time? This obsession was evident in the way –after his death-- his body was studied, in a most meticulous autopsy. Beethoven is the reason why I fell in love with music. MALTZ: And so your theory or… you're saying that Fanny Giannatasio del Rio is simply substituting the other German verb, kennenlernen, which is just to get to know. That is why the American hypothesis about the Immortal Beloved letter is completely unacceptable, absolutely psychologically unlikely. MALTZ: And this would explain how in the fall, Beethoven returning to Vienna, sees a happily-married Josephine with Stackelberg and writes, “Auf diese Art mit 'St' geht alles zu Grunde.”, STEBLIN: That's right. Today we will solve the mystery behind one of classical music history's most famous love stories: the identity of Beethoven's Immortal Beloved. Copyright © 2021 Daniel Adam Maltz. He was not having a spa treatment in this city of water. And so I think what happened is that instead of going on to Karlsbad – as she had originally planned – and that's why in Beethoven's letter you have that statement, ‘We will probably see each other in K.’ But no, I think that she then sent him a letter saying, ‘Oh, I have to change my plans. All of this is cut, appropriately, in the shape of a heart. He HAD loved her before, so he might have loved her still in 1812. When the letter was first discovered, Schindler dated it 1806. It is, in Beethoven’s own words, to his “immortal beloved”. The Beethoven Immortal Beloved letter was found after Beethoven's death at the same time as "Heiligenstadt's Testament" is made up of two double pages, written on both sides, (8 pages), of about 200 x 238 mm and on a single sheet of about 201 x 119 mm both sides. Where do I come from? So, he was with them for this whole time, but Josephine's mother was looking for a husband for her daughters and the older one, Therese, well, she sort of had a bit of a crooked back and wasn't that attractive. Beethoven was known to love many women, and as his friend F.G. Wegeler once wrote, "Beethoven was never out of love." I mean, I can't say that I was the first to come up with Josephine. And he later said that as soon as he saw Josephine he said she is going to be my wife. It is completely coated in dark chocolate and is decorated with gold leaf. STEBLIN: Well, I mean, what a scandal. Updated March 17, 2017 Beethoven's love letter is very famous and often quoted in literary media as well as television, movies, and commercials. Immortal Beloved. Besides all the work he is known for, the composer once wrote a famous love letter to a nameless beloved, and the movie tries to find out who this beloved was--not easy, as Beethoven has had many women in his life. However, a visit to Teplitz was thought to have been made in 1812, notably because his name is inscribed on the list of hydrotherapy patients on July 7th, the time of his finding a house and his meeting with Goethe being largely accounted for and proven. Was it never sent? Where is this town, noted as K., found when Beethoven explains: "... the only days when the post leaves for K..."? The second is more difficult. Elise – the mystery woman in Beethoven’s life, is still an unsolved mystery. 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